“We’ve said it on this podcast before: email is a necessary evil.”

That quote is from our friends over Asian Efficiency, an online hub for productivity hackers who want to get as much as they can out of every day.

They recently invited SaneBox’s Vice President of Growth, Dmitri Leonov, to be a guest on their Productivity Show podcast. This topic? How to shift your habits so that necessary evil—email—works for you, not against you.

Head over to the Productivity Show now to hear Dmitri’s vast insights on the history, theory, and daily attainment of Inbox Zero.